Building ugly replacement mirrors for the Honda PC800

Building Mirrors For the PC800

Flasher Unit  – $12.99

http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_electronic-turn-signal-flasher-tridon-(novita-tech-inc)_5081327-p?navigationPath=L1*14920%7CL2*15004

Flasher Plug – $2.99

http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_electrical-sockets–3-wire-terminal-seal-beam-lamp-4002-&-4005-bulb-dorman–conduct-tite_5011965-p?searchTerm=headlight+socket#

3 Wire 1157 Light Socket – $7.99

http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_3-wire-ford-signal-&-parking-lights-socket-dorman–conduct-tite_5473632-p?searchTerm=lamp+socket&zoneAssigned=1

Well I had to make mirrors for the PC800 because an accident caused the loss of my left mirror and there was no mirror to be found anywhere. Thus, my searches and the help of some wonderful leads led me to build my own.

My first failure was a set of mirrors ordered from Walmart.

http://www.walmart.com/ip/CIPA-Lighted-Euro-Sport-Mirror/22614772 They will work in a pinch, but the vibration is too much to live with. Plus, coupled with a small range of vision, they are not a suitable choice. However, again, if you have no mirrors, they will make you legal and operable again.

Ugly, but legal.

Two screws mounted directly to the mounting plate that connects the mirror to the bike.

The 1157 light socket was a simple matter of carving into the plastic after popping the lens cover off. Dremel tool worked that in about 30 secs. Then just feed the wires through and wedging the 1157 socket into it. I put quick disconnect connectors on the 3 wires.

Cool cheap fix, but the vibration was a total pain. The light was sufficient to work as a running light and turn signal although I did have to use yellow 115 lights. After converting to LED lights, that was no longer a problem. More on that later.

The second attempt produced a more stable and much much functional mirror, however, again butt ugly on the bike. But when you want to ride, you overlook butt ugly.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Set-2-Mirror-Left-Right-Side-In-housing-Turn-Signal-Light-LH-RH-Pair-/231076999830?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr&hash=item35cd433296

Same process of using the 1157 sockets under the lens cover and wedging it into place. It took extra screws and extra washers to secure it to the base plate for mounting and I’m sure that helped with eliminating the vibration shake.

So those are the options for non-PC800 mirrors. They will work, they are legal and you have the same halogen light bulbs without having to change the flasher unit. I did have to cut off the connector that plugs into the old mirrors so the wire leads could connect.

Turn Signal Wiring

Left                                                  Right

Green                   Ground                Green

Orange/White     Turn Light            Lite Blue/White

Orange Running                             Light Lite Blue

With both sets of these mirrors, they were not waterproof. A tiny plastic sandwich bag corner torn off and wrapped around the bulb and secured with a rubberband at the base. The bag did not melt, so feel pretty good about that solution.

Good news is that I converted to LED bulbs and the process is pretty darn simple. The bulbs are a touch more expensive, but the power you gain back is totally worth it. You will have to change the flasher unit, but that will be explained as well.

Converting Honda PC800 to LED lights

Before even beginning, I have to give credit to some folks without which this would not be possible. First, to “Uncle” Doug Van Bossuyt. Not only has he freely provided unlimited information concerning the workings of our bikes, but his thoughts and passion concerning our PC800s was the final nail that sealed my decision with which bike to purchase. His site is here: http://www.douglasvanbossuyt.com/2012/04/16/pc800-full-led-conversion/

Also have to acknowledge the international groups of PC800 owners that have answered so many of my questions.

http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/ipcrc/info

http://pc800.freeforums.org

And now to the meat of it all…

Converting to All LED lights

Step 1. Convert the flasher unit

Your old bulbs work on a simple principle. You flip on the turn switch, power flowing through the flasher is channeled to the bulb filaments, heating them and making them glow off and on. Since LED lights don’t require as much power, the same heating process causes the original flasher unit to think the bulb is blown, thus the fast flashing.

So first, gotta modernize the flasher unit. A newer digital flasher unit that doesn’t depend on the amount of juice flowing through it.

Flasher Unit  – $12.99

http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_electronic-turn-signal-flasher-tridon-(novita-tech-inc)_5081327-p?navigationPath=L1*14920%7CL2*15004

It will need to plug into a connector that will allow you to wire it to the original wiring from the PC800. Your currently headlight bulb style plug will actually work with this new flasher.

Flasher Plug – $2.99

http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_electrical-sockets–3-wire-terminal-seal-beam-lamp-4002-&-4005-bulb-dorman–conduct-tite_5011965-p?searchTerm=headlight+socket#

The Tridon EP 34 plugs into a standard headlight socket and you will need a way to connect it to the original harness. I couldn’t find one at the auto parts places, but found 2 sources online.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Motorcycle-Hitachi-Black-3-Way-Block-Connector-/111221177057?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts_13&hash=item19e54c7ae1

This second source is from superbrightleds.com which is where the LED light bulbs were ordered from. The only problem is that the bike’s flasher is a 3 wire unit and this unit from superbrightleds is a 2 wire unit. All I needed was the harness, so I cut the flasher from the connector and added a 3rd wire soldered onto a tiny strip of copper, so it would plug into the original connector on the bike.

https://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/led-vehicle-replacement-bulbs/lf1-s-flat-universal-motorcycle-electronic-flasher/787/842/

There are 3 markings on the flasher unit. E / L / B

There are 3 wires from the connector on the bike. Blue / Gray / Brown-Black

The wiring match as follows:

Blue      =  E

Gray     =   L

Brn/Blk =   B

The hardest part of this whole fiasco is locating the flasher unit. As you are sitting on the bike, the flasher unit is attached to the frame on the left side where the mirror wiring goes through the frame to the mirror. So you have to remove the windshield and dash access panel.

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The flasher unit is on the right attached to the outside of the frame. It is attached to a rubber grommet that you have to slide towards the back of the bike, then it will slip right off and you can now access it.

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OK, exactly where? You see the silver bolt? Look to the 7:00 position where that open gap is. That is where the grommet is attached. You slide it off and pull it back through to this side of the frame. Make sense?

After the new flasher unit is attached to the wiring, I simply zip-tied it to the frame to keep it out of the way of my HID headlight wiring mess. The flasher unit is now wired in and much easier to remove should it ever go bad.

Step 2. Switch from halogen bulbs to LED bulbs

And now, the bulbs…

Headlight – The HID headlight kit came from ebay. There are tons of kits and tons of colors you can select from. Simply do a search on Bi Xenon HID H4 Slim Kit. I personally use 10K bulbs cause I like the intense blue. There are many makers of many kits, gotta do your own homework for a personal fav. I will say that when ordering a kit, go ahead and get a Slim Kit with 2 bulbs, 2 ballast and 2 sets of wiring. It makes no sense to pay $30 for a single light kit when you can pay $40 and get a double light kit. Then you will always have a spare.

Front Turn Signals – $17.95 per bulb (2 bulbs needed)

The front light is your typical 1157 bulb. It uses 2 sets of lights, one for running lights and the

other for the turn signal. It is also a medium intensity. https://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/tail-brake-turn/1157-led-bulb-dual-intensity-18-smd-led-tower/811/723/

Brake Lights – $19.95 per bulb (2 bulbs needed)

This bulb is also 1157, but the LED version is high intensity to ensure good brake lighting, thus the extra cost. https://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/tail-brake-turn/1157-can-bus-led-bulb-dual-intensity-26-smd-led-tower/1166/2985/

Rear Turn Signals – $19.95 per bulb (2 needed)

This is a typical 1156 bulb, signal filament because it is only on with the turn signal.

https://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/tail-brake-turn/1156-can-bus-led-bulb–dual-intensity-26-smd-led-tower/1326/3051/

License Plate Bulb – $5.95 (1 needed)

If you’re gonna convert, do it all the way, right? The license plate bulb is a wedge type.

https://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/miniature-wedge-base/194-led-bulb-5-smd-led-wide-angle-wedge-base/206/919/

The beauty is, you don’t have to convert everything at once. With the digital flasher unit, you can switch the bulbs out as your bank account allows.

Dash Lights – $4.95 (6 bulbs used)

And while we’re at it, if you want to switch out the dashboard lights, they are here.

https://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/miniature-wedge-base/194-led-bulb-1-smd-led-wedge-base/204/908/

Now, a side note about the dash lights. They are bright. So bright that I found it to be a little distracting for the indicator lights in the middle. Particularly, the Hi Beam indicator distracts my vision, so I switched it back. However, turn signals, oil, side stand are all changed. The awesome part is the speedometer and tach are now blue. Temperature and fuel level are also blue. It’s an awesome look.

Now, how do they function? Well, I suck a bunch of juice out of my electrical system for the sake of looking cool. With the original setup, while in motion, I’m showing around 12.5 – 13v on the display. Sitting at a red light, I dip down to about 11.9. If the blinker is on and the brake light is on, I can dip dangerously low to about 10.9.

With the new LEDs, sitting at an idle with brake light on, blinker flashing, all LED accent lights lit, I’m at around 13.5. When in motion, I’m constantly in the 14v range. So yes, the LEDs will make a difference.

And if you’re curious about the LED strips I use, I have always used 1 seller on ebay. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Universal-194-168-158-921-T10-T15-14-21-SMD-5050-Led-Strip-Magenta-Purple-2pcs-/171047761482?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr&hash=item27d33db64a